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Post by redleader on Jan 5, 2009 10:40:40 GMT -6
Nobody ever answered my question! What is the weight of a stock 440 snow twister? What is its track width and length?
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Post by romanowski on Jan 5, 2009 11:18:22 GMT -6
Sorry to get everyones undies in a bundle over my impression of the video. To me, I think the magnum rider rode out the weelie, yes it looks like he was closing in on the trail twister, but he was clearly behind throughout the video.
I clutched dan's 72 nitro, it is built to the rule book, if it had the the stock drive clutch on it it would suck big time, I used my trail twister clutching knowledge to make it fly, We can all thank Mercury Marine.
I have the utmost respect for guys like Dale who even with a F/a rupp have to screw around with the exhaust and carbs every time you want to make a simple clutching change. mercs are a dream compared to the hassles with a f/a.
I will be at Eagle River this weekend with a trail twister and 250 s/t #513 on both sleds, dan will be there with hid 75 f/a rupp, our sleds have bone stock motors hex clutches and will compete with just about anything in outr classes. Come on out and see what stock kohler/hex combos can do.
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Post by onlyhere4themoney on Jan 5, 2009 15:57:23 GMT -6
Another thing some of you guys apparently dont know about Rick, is he actually DOES WANT TO SEE a stock "green dripper" run good at a major race. He would like nothing better then to eat his own words. He just likes to point out it just hasnt happened over 33 years,....and it probabley never will. Seems to really "get you guys worked up".[/quote] Dale your taking some of the fun out of this. Cory don't delete this. I had fun and it reminded me of the old days. Right Josh 
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Post by romanowski on Jan 5, 2009 16:07:57 GMT -6
The merc liquid has a 102' x 15" cleated track, dont quote me on the weight but I think it is close to 325 pounds.
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Post by romanowski on Jan 5, 2009 16:13:16 GMT -6
Here's the best statistic that a liquid merc ever had.............. 653 wins in USSA sanctioned racing in 1976 the next closest mfg. had 127. rupp managed 13 wins that year. This my red friends is the definition of demoralizing the competition.
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Post by scourge on Jan 5, 2009 16:46:16 GMT -6
I gots me a Rupp and I like to ride it!
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Post by onlyhere4themoney on Jan 5, 2009 16:53:42 GMT -6
I gots me a Rupp and I like to ride it! Hey!!! You got the right Idea. |
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Post by bankRUPPt on Jan 5, 2009 17:42:49 GMT -6
The merc liquid has a 102' x 15" cleated track, dont quote me on the weight but I think it is close to 325 pounds. I think you're about right on the weight, my 440 is pretty close to 320 with the mufflers and all the other stock stuff on it. |
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Post by onlyhere4themoney on Jan 5, 2009 18:06:32 GMT -6
Hey Eddie why don't you start another one I kind of had fun.
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Post by Ruppsforever on Jan 5, 2009 19:49:16 GMT -6
Cory don't delete this. I had fun and it reminded me of the old days. Right Josh
I agree man. Reading all this made me few about 7 years younger !!!!
You all have to agree that it is nice that we can have this kind of heated discussion without getting deleted like so many other message boards would of done !!!!
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Post by redleader on Jan 5, 2009 20:12:01 GMT -6
So the 76 Rupp 440 magnum is roughly 80 lbs heavier than the mercury. I just weighed mine with no fuel or water or chain case oil. It is simple physics. Horespower to weight ratio, with other considerations the same, will always determine the outcome of any event. This goes way back before sleds. Big engines in 32 fords street rods versus heavier full body cars with same engines and so on. Even in antique tractors you see it. In a certain weight class like 3500 lbs for example. You will have ten B allis chalmers all competeing and one of them is head and shoulders better than the rest. It can only be one of two things. He has a superior traction advantage or he isnt stock. Thats one of the reasons we had to start dynoing every tractor that pulled. One guys version of "tuned" is different than anothers. The very same thing applies with this discussion. A 76 Rupp 440 magnum stock will never have an advantage over a 76 mercury 440 snow twister because of the one simple physics lesson. Horsepower and traction being the same, weight will determine the outcome. Everytime. You can not cheat gravity!
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Post by onlyhere4themoney on Jan 5, 2009 20:15:55 GMT -6
Someone must like it it's been Read 1,076 times. of course there are some people out there like the little old lady that sat and watched X rated movie, went home and told all of her Friends how disgusting it was (but she sat and watched the whole movie)  |
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Post by Ruppsforever on Jan 5, 2009 21:32:26 GMT -6
LOL !!!!!!!!!!
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Post by nitrofa340 on Jan 5, 2009 22:02:02 GMT -6
So the 76 Rupp 440 magnum is roughly 80 lbs heavier than the mercury. I just weighed mine with no fuel or water or chain case oil. It is simple physics. Horespower to weight ratio, with other considerations the same, will always determine the outcome of any event. This goes way back before sleds. Big engines in 32 fords street rods versus heavier full body cars with same engines and so on. Even in antique tractors you see it. In a certain weight class like 3500 lbs for example. You will have ten B allis chalmers all competeing and one of them is head and shoulders better than the rest. It can only be one of two things. He has a superior traction advantage or he isnt stock. Thats one of the reasons we had to start dynoing every tractor that pulled. One guys version of "tuned" is different than anothers. The very same thing applies with this discussion. A 76 Rupp 440 magnum stock will never have an advantage over a 76 mercury 440 snow twister because of the one simple physics lesson. Horsepower and traction being the same, weight will determine the outcome. Everytime. You can not cheat gravity! I dont think anyone is asking the Magnum to run competively against the Twister or any other A or AA stocker. The Magnum is a B stock race sled. |
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Post by wigman25 on Jan 5, 2009 22:18:18 GMT -6
Someone must like it it's been Read 1,076 times. of course there are some people out there like the little old lady that sat and watched X rated movie, went home and told all of her Friends how disgusting it was (but she sat and watched the whole movie) Kinda like watching a dog take a crap - captivating!!!   |
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Post by Ruppsforever on Jan 5, 2009 22:18:21 GMT -6
COME ON !!! ITS NOT THAT BAD !!! I actually give all these guys credit for giving me so much shit over the years. It Drove me to try harder.
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Post by redleader on Jan 6, 2009 8:31:34 GMT -6
Just for shits and giggles, maybe someone can start a new post that explains the differance between A and AA and B and C and so on. Maybe then we will all understand the relationship between the sleds and the classes better. I now it would help me and I am sure others too. Thanks.
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Post by magnumforce on Jan 6, 2009 12:05:45 GMT -6
You know what's funny about our local rules here? The '76 Super Brute is a "A" sled and the '76 Magnum is classed as a "B"...
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Post by magnumforce on Jan 6, 2009 12:09:39 GMT -6
I see some snow on the skis.... How does it run? Those pipes are simalar to 73 mag pipes....Hmm! Hi Greg it's not too bad for a 340, makes lots of noise anyways ;D Those are the mystery pipes I mentioned a while back, a guy that raced F/A's here run them on his F/A Nitro orig. I don't know what they orig. were, Kohler with some Rupp DNA in them ? lol |
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Post by bankRUPPt on Jan 7, 2009 18:03:51 GMT -6
Alright, M'force. Spill the beans on the Cat. Is it yours? I had to take a double take to make sure it wasn't a 76 Sno Pro.
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