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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 19:58:21 GMT -6
id like to be a judge...
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Post by snosnake on Apr 13, 2014 20:43:03 GMT -6
The only thing I ever see happen at a people's choice pick-em show is the guy with the most friends there wins. I want to have some honest Judge's to judge these sleds on fit and finish, overall appearances. This would be more on the custom sleds.
I know Mark will not pick a person just because the guy is his friend. Hell I'm not to sure if he has any besides there will be at least 2 other judges.
If you guys want to go just by numbers on the sled we can do that.
I think we should hash things out here and talk about guide lines and Rules or what ever issues anyone may have.
I do not know of anyone doing this before and I don't want it to be just another class at the Waconia show. I am sure there will be others to do this at Waconia after this one. So toss out some idea's on this.
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Post by magnesium on Apr 13, 2014 21:51:38 GMT -6
How many spectators would just pick their favorite model? Not fair to the builders. If this is still undecided and Rick wants some more input,let the entrants decide. They put the time,work and money into their sleds. If the gentlemen from Alaska have been reading this, they're probably turned off by now. Couldn't blame them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2014 5:56:31 GMT -6
i think that the winner (is there going to 1st 2nd 3rd?)should be chosen by a unanimous decision by the all the judges not just a added up score, kinda like a jury deliberating
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Post by bankRUPPt on Apr 14, 2014 8:24:20 GMT -6
I agree. That's a great idea.
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Post by magnumal on Apr 14, 2014 11:03:47 GMT -6
I have a hard time with a restored sled or original , my 400 magnum has original hood and chassis I have owned it since 71 but because I have fiberglass panels and gave it a " coors " paint job on it now it has to be in restored class ? Our shows are contestant judged and we have had some sore losers but mostly it seems ok . But to answer this guys question " I think if you plan on running this sled around all the time don't bother with a complete no scratch job , it just doesn't hold up long .
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Post by magnumed on Apr 15, 2014 5:51:06 GMT -6
I decided to leave the battle scars on the tunnel and bulkhead, too much work to weld up and sand out, the rest should get a make over and look good enough to take with us. I've enjoyed some of the comments about judging and so on, I really never had desire to win a trophy with any of my sleds. I just enjoy everyone that walks up to a sled stopping taking a look and telling their story of I used to have a Rupp or man I wish I had a Rupp. The funniest one is a guy stopped by and was telling me he used to have a Rupp just like this when he was a kid as he walked around to see the 800 Hirth in your lap and laughed with a big smile and said wow not like this one. That's really good enough for me. Rick looks like you have some work ahead of you to line up the trophies and judging. No matter what all of you decide on this one it will work out for all of us. lets just have fun with it......
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Post by mcruppin on Apr 15, 2014 6:15:12 GMT -6
Agreed
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Post by drrupp on Apr 15, 2014 8:32:51 GMT -6
To help with your questions al something is only original until someone paints or replaces something on it. Original means just the way it came. People always say its 100% original except for. ..well 100% original should never be followed by except for. An original snowmobile is one that has been kept exactly how it came off the line and those are hard to find. They are still out there but many have had things done to them over the years which makes them no longer original. I judged so many shows and have had a ton of guy's try and explain their original sled with things replaced and painted. So if you painted or changed a hood or any other parts the sled is no longer original.
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Post by snosnake on Apr 15, 2014 9:11:06 GMT -6
Dan so lets say a guy buys a 72 Yankee and in the first year someone hits a tree with it. It damages the bumber center hood and both side panels. He takes it to the dealer and he repairs it to like new. Now I buy it 40 years later and the sled is still like new. Would this be an origanil sled or restored sled?
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Post by 74nitro2 on Apr 15, 2014 9:38:51 GMT -6
My understanding is that if it was repaired 40 years ago with Rupp parts it should be considered original. If it has reproduction panels, and a powder coated bumper combined or either or than it is not original.
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Post by ruppman on Apr 15, 2014 10:02:30 GMT -6
This is a tough topic.In the VSCA shows there are guide lines that are followed. This can very form other shows. I personally don't look to follow any because my sleds are my own creation to be done to my satisfaction. Not everybody will agree on this subject so guide lines need to be adopted. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by drrupp on Apr 15, 2014 10:24:49 GMT -6
I'm saying no matter when you replace something on it is no longer original. Let's say I buy the sled magnumed posted a picture of and I replace all the panels and bad parts does this make it original? I would think not. Some shows and clubs have their own guidelines which to me original is just that not a sled with replaced parts. Why is there such a need to claim everything original? For a trophy? If that is the case its not fair to a guy who has a true original sled to compete with someone who replaced a bad hood with Nos.hood or any other parts. Put it in the restored class. Or maybe for those who can't understand what original is make a new class the almost original class?
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Post by daren007 on Apr 15, 2014 10:51:21 GMT -6
Once you polish the tunnel you are no longer original or restored.
How far do i go.......All the way. dc
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Post by mrmotors on Apr 15, 2014 11:04:35 GMT -6
That being the case of originality, there is not one original sled out there. What about the replacement of normal wear and tear items? Fuel lines, spark plugs, filters and things of that nature? Broken chain case, replacement drive belts... That is going to the extreme end of the statement, none the less that would be the guideline.
My .02 would be to have judges that are very familiar with Rupp on a pretty wide scale, to only identify each sled with a number ID only and no names. Since there will a wide variation of machines to be judged they all need to be judged on their own merits and the winner picked because of the best job done during the rebuild and not by a popularity contest. This is kinda difficult because different models of machines are competing against one another rather than groups of the same machine.
However, the overall goal of this is for folks to produce some nice hardware and have a little fun doing so. It doesn't need to turn into a pissin contest before it even gets out of the gate....
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Post by drrupp on Apr 15, 2014 12:10:21 GMT -6
My comment was for the question al was mentioning on weather a sled was still original or not after replacing or painting parts it has nothing to do with the Rupp build off. There are definatly still original sleds out there.
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Post by Ruppsforever on Apr 15, 2014 15:14:11 GMT -6
Dan so lets say a guy buys a 72 Yankee and in the first year someone hits a tree with it. It damages the bumber center hood and both side panels. He takes it to the dealer and he repairs it to like new. Now I buy it 40 years later and the sled is still like new. Would this be an origanil sled or restored sled? One quick look at the title will tell you that it is a salvage title !! LOL
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Post by magnesium on Apr 15, 2014 18:22:34 GMT -6
If you didn't roll it, wreck it or pin it until it popped, why did you buy it in the first place? To get to church in January? Best unrestored is like a pit pony that never saw the light of day.
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Post by snosnake on Apr 15, 2014 20:17:57 GMT -6
That being the case of originality, there is not one original sled out there. What about the replacement of normal wear and tear items? Fuel lines, spark plugs, filters and things of that nature? Broken chain case, replacement drive belts... That is going to the extreme end of the statement, none the less that would be the guideline. My .02 would be to have judges that are very familiar with Rupp on a pretty wide scale, to only identify each sled with a number ID only and no names. Since there will a wide variation of machines to be judged they all need to be judged on their own merits and the winner picked because of the best job done during the rebuild and not by a popularity contest. This is kinda difficult because different models of machines are competing against one another rather than groups of the same machine. However, the overall goal of this is for folks to produce some nice hardware and have a little fun doing so. It doesn't need to turn into a pissin contest before it even gets out of the gate.... With the Rupp build off it doesn't matter if the Judge knows anything about Rupp's. It has nothing to do with original, restored, clone or custom. It has everything to do with craftmanship. This is not a show it is a build off.
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Post by snosnake on Apr 15, 2014 20:20:05 GMT -6
Once you polish the tunnel you are no longer original or restored. How far do i go.......All the way. dc Daren....it's all the way baby...anyway thats what that Powers dude said.
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