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Post by snosnake on Apr 15, 2014 20:21:39 GMT -6
I'm saying no matter when you replace something on it is no longer original. Let's say I buy the sled magnumed posted a picture of and I replace all the panels and bad parts does this make it original? I would think not. Some shows and clubs have their own guidelines which to me original is just that not a sled with replaced parts. Why is there such a need to claim everything original? For a trophy? If that is the case its not fair to a guy who has a true original sled to compete with someone who replaced a bad hood with Nos.hood or any other parts. Put it in the restored class. Or maybe for those who can't understand what original is make a new class the almost original class? I know Dan but if the part was replaced 40 years ago with a NOS part how would you know the differance?
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Post by 74nitro2 on Apr 16, 2014 5:38:19 GMT -6
yeah,, what he said. I have a 72' Rogue 15 HP with original seat/motor/panels, etc. panels all cracked... just so happens that i have enough of the NOS junk plastic panels that are not cracked YET. I plan to install those. Clean it up a bit and enter it in all original class. Your telling me that someone is going to know that they have been replaced.. ?
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Post by drrupp on Apr 16, 2014 7:05:40 GMT -6
Rick if it was done that long ago and you bought it like that how would you know? I'm talking about a guy like 74nitro that just posted he is going to take a sled that is wrecked and replace all the bad parts and then lie about it and call it an original sled he just proved my point . Anybody can replace stuff with Nos parts and then claim it as original . If you have all those parts why not put the sled in the restored class where it belongs do you know what restored means? I'm pretty sure it means you took something that was junk and made it look new.
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Post by snosnake on Apr 16, 2014 8:21:59 GMT -6
I do know a few years back at Grantsburg they said. If the sled had parts replaced with oem parts it could be in the orignal class. I am not saying anything is right or wrong but if the show rules say you can do it what do you do?
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Post by 74nitro2 on Apr 16, 2014 8:37:27 GMT -6
I don't recall saying I would lie... I just don't think the average judge is going to know the difference. Being an honest guy like myself, I would probably let them know exactly what I changed. As long as they are original NOS parts I really don't see difference. NOS parts aren't getting any easier to locate last I checked.
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Post by 74nitro2 on Apr 16, 2014 8:39:47 GMT -6
Rick may have some..
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Post by ruppluver on Apr 16, 2014 8:59:41 GMT -6
74nitro2,leave your sled as is,& call it a SURVIVOR!! Best advice:tell the truth!! He who has the deepest pockets,USUALLY WINS!!!! I guess the most important part of the build,to me,would be to build a nice sled & have fun doing it. If you win,it puts frosting on the cake,if not,you've done your best & there is always next time.
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Post by drrupp on Apr 16, 2014 9:15:34 GMT -6
Read your post 74nitro you said your were replacing parts and entering it in the original class who would know. Well sounds to me like your entering a non original sled in the original class. Why not show it the way it is? Afraid you won't get a trophy ? Outside of any show rules or guidelines if you replace parts it is no longer an original sled plain and simple. I would love to hear what you call a restored sled. And if you read my post a few back I said how is fair to a guy with a real original sled to compete with a guy like you that has replaced all the Cosmetic's with new?
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Post by snosnake on Apr 16, 2014 9:44:58 GMT -6
Now Boy's let's be cool about this.
Let's get back to the sled build off. I could use some ideas. The Judging part is going to have to wait untill after mid July.
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Post by 74nitro2 on Apr 16, 2014 11:32:16 GMT -6
drrupp, Is it not essentially the same thing?? Beside,,, do you know Of anyone with a "true original"?? I don't care about trophies.. owning the sled is trophy enough for me. I do this to have fun. That's what i'm doing know.. It is fairly easy to get you gents wound up. No worries.
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Post by snosnake on Apr 16, 2014 12:18:58 GMT -6
drrupp, Is it not essentially the same thing?? Beside,,, do you know Of anyone with a "true original"?? I don't care about trophies.. owning the sled is trophy enough for me. I do this to have fun. That's what i'm doing know.. It is fairly easy to get you gents wound up. No worries. I like that wound up part..I do that a lot myself. How about you Mark?
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Post by magnesium on Apr 16, 2014 12:59:26 GMT -6
Tighter than a bale of scrap copper
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Post by magnumal on Apr 16, 2014 14:10:17 GMT -6
Hey I started the whole thing LOL I wonder if its ok to wash it and call it original LOL
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Post by 74nitro2 on Apr 16, 2014 15:38:06 GMT -6
Good question. Someone must have an answer to that..
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Post by drrupp on Apr 16, 2014 18:11:53 GMT -6
I know of several " true originals"
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Post by magnesium on Apr 16, 2014 20:33:23 GMT -6
I know of several " true originals" If they all entered the same show which one would win?
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Post by mrmotors on Apr 16, 2014 22:19:42 GMT -6
So like I said awhile back, if you change the spark plug or drive belt, it ain't original. I listen to this stuff all the time about fighter restorations, it get's plum outta hand just like this is fixin too....... Believe me, there's no winning this discussion. Anybody wanna talk about paint jobs?
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Post by 74nitro2 on Apr 17, 2014 4:53:02 GMT -6
I know of several " true originals" If they all entered the same show which one would win? The one with the best poker face, and the deepest pockets... Here is a picture of the "wrecked" Rogue. I did not move the rear handles, and it came with chrome bumpers from dealer. It ain't no Magnum, however it's "original". Attachment Deleted
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Post by magnesium on Apr 17, 2014 5:34:01 GMT -6
Pretty nice! Now I want to paint my barn red. I have a 25hp Sport,I'll need to look at it closer.I don't think it been messed with at all.
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Post by magnesium on Apr 17, 2014 5:48:23 GMT -6
I do know a few years back at Grantsburg they said. If the sled had parts replaced with oem parts it could be in the orignal class. I am not saying anything is right or wrong but if the show rules say you can do it what do you do? When someone wants to prove their car is original, they provide "documentation". If all work and parts replaced are done by a factory authorized dealer,the value of the car increases.Apples to oranges,I know. Rick is right,though,each show has its "local" rules.The organizers should have them in writing long before the judging begins.Too late to argue then.
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